Climate Change on the Colorado Plateau
Science Moab talks with Ann Marie Chischilly, Executive Director at the Institute for Tribal Environmental Professionals (ITEP). In addition to the advocacy work she does at the national and international level, Chischilly works with ITEP to address climate change in Tribal communities and works in academia to Indigenizing higher education.
Meet the Scientist: Ann Marie Chischilly
Ann Marie Chischilly is the Executive Director at the Institute for Tribal Environmental Professionals (ITEP). She is responsible for managing ITEP’s work with Northern Arizona University, state and federal agencies, tribes and Alaska Native villages.
Ms. Chischilly currently serves on several federal advisory committees including the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) National Advisory Committee, the Advisory Committee for the Sustained National Climate Assessment (Now the Independent Advisory Committee on the Sustained National Climate Assessment) and EPA’s National Safe Drinking Water Council. From 2013 to 2015, Ms. Chischilly also served on Department of Interior’s Advisory on Climate Change and Natural Resource Science.
Ms. Chischilly speaks both nationally and internationally on topics of Indian Law, Environmental Law, Tradition Knowledges, Water Law and Tribes/Indigenous Peoples. She works with the United Nations on issues of the Protection of Traditional Knowledge and co-wrote, “Guidelines for the Use of Traditional Knowledge in Climate Change Initiatives”.
Before coming to ITEP, she served for over ten years as Senior Assistant General Counsel to the Gila River Indian Community (Community), where she assisted the Community in implementing the historic “Arizona Water Settlement Act” and founded the Community’s Renewable Energy Team. Ms. Chischilly is an enrolled member of the Navajo Nation (Diné). She earned her Juris Doctorate degree from St. Mary’s University School of Law and a Masters in Environmental Law (LL.M) from Vermont Law School. She is licensed in Arizona and has practiced in state, district, and federal courts. She is also a member of the International Bar Association.
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Interview Transcript - Traditional Knowledge and Climate Change
Science Moab: What is the Institute for Tribal Environmental Professionals and what issues are you currently working on?
Chischilly: At ITEP, we do workforce training, so if you work for a tribe, you can come to our courses, and we will pay for you to get there, we will pay for your housing, and we will train you for three to four days. Then, you take that knowledge back and apply it to your own sovereign laws, policies, and cultural protocols. We don’t dictate what the tribes do, we give them the information that they need to develop their own programs, and we get direct constructive feedback right away. So if a tribe doesn’t think a course is applicable, that will come up in an evaluation that will go to our advisory committee. I met President Cruz Rivera early March last year, and his first question to me was: “How are we going to decolonize NAU?” I knew a lot of people on campus, but understanding their needs was a different issue, so I had to learn how to address those issues in real time by developing what I call an open listening session. And so we held five or six listening sessions with different categories of folks: the students, the faculty, the staff, the community, and the alumni; so we really got to hear from them exactly what they’re concerned with. Some of them are not easy, as they’re really big institutional changes. We’re moving into a new space of not only decolonization, but also indigenization.
Science Moab: You were part of crafting the Guidelines for the Use of Traditional Knowledge and Climate Change Initiatives. Can you share a bit about those Guidelines?
Chischilly: Let me just go back a little bit about the guidelines. In 2014, I was selected to be on the first climate change advisory committee under President Obama, called the National Climate Change and Natural Resource Advisory Committee. In that advisory committee, we went and got some friends in the field, and then we wrote the Guidelines, and got them approved right before the administration changed. So the guidelines were interesting in that many of us had worked in the UN, and the principles from the United Nations weren’t really seen in federal policy. One UN principle of agreement was free, prior, and informed consent when you’re developing any of your initiatives with indigenous peoples. Prior means in the design phase, as opposed to in the research phase, so you’re actually being asked what kinds of research your community needs. Informed is making sure everyone who’s part of the project understands the risks and benefits behind it. This is really important for traditional knowledge holders, who are mostly medicine people, letting them know that the information they share could potentially be public information. Tribes have to consent to the information that’s going to be used, whether it’s traditional knowledge, sacred sites, or intellectual property. A tribe or indigenous peoples may have consent for one section, but not consent for the others.
Science Moab: Can you share a bit more about the work you’re doing in regards to tribes and climate change?
Chischilly: I would say that all of the ITEP staff are collectively working together on climate change. But in that arena, one of the things I think about is how we’re supporting tribes. We started with adaptation planning, and saw that a lot of adaptation plans were not being completed. So then we developed cohorts so that teams of tribal professionals could work together and complete them together. We put together at ITEP the Status of Tribes and Climate Change Report. And that came about from many conversations I was having with the federal government, as adaptation plans were coming, but not quick enough, and they weren’t consolidated. And so I talked to the team about doing this report. We got together with authors, we have almost 100 authors. Then, we went out and got narratives from tribes, asking what they were doing, what’s working, and if they had any recommendations. And so that laid the foundation for what’s coming up next, the National Climate Assessment 5. It’s really for me, it was a way to gather information from the tribes from their perspective, with their permission, and put it forward as the recommendations we need to do. We need to do it often enough for the government to understand that this is where they want to go from their perspective. Just being that avenue to express that is key for me, because what I want tribes to understand is that I wouldn’t want to speak on their behalf. I want them to put forward their ideas and their good work. There’s a lot of good work going on out there on shoestring budgets, but it’s being done with recognition of their traditional knowledge and sovereignty.
