Indian Creek Survey
The number of climbers coming to Indian Creek (San Juan County, UT) has increased as with so many outdoor recreation areas. The resource, though, is limited at Indian Creek. This is the first of two podcasts dedicated to this climbing area and the attempts being made to preserve the resource. We talk with David Carter, assistant professor of public policy and administration at the University of Utah’s Department of Political Science. An avid climber himself, David is responsible for distributing a survey to Indian Creek climbers in 2021.
Meet the Scientist: David Carter
David P. Carter is an assistant professor of public policy and administration at the University of Utah’s Department of Political Science. He studies a range of topics, from regulatory design and administration (the USDA National Organic Program, in particular) to collective action among climbers examines. David is an avid rock and ice climber. He serves on the Salt Lake Climbers Alliance (SLCA) Board of Directors and JEDI (justice, equity, diversity, and inclusion) Committee, and chairs the SLCA Policy and Conservation Committee.
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Interview Transcript - Climbing Sustainability in Indian Creek
As a nationally- and internationally-renowned climbing spot, Indian Creek is home to stellar natural beauty, world-class crags, and increasing recreational use. This week, we speak with David Carter, an avid climber and Assistant Professor of Public Policy and Administration at the University of Utah. We discuss Indian Creek, the climbing community, and sociological tools for encouraging conservation of climbing areas.
Science Moab: What is the current scene in popular climbing areas, and what are you studying?
Carter: We’re seeing a lot of dispersed recreation these days and increasing user numbers. It’s a general trend towards more and more folks visiting climbing areas and recreating in areas that are environmentally vulnerable and ecologically rich. We’re seeing a lot of impacts from those increasing user numbers.
Perception is often reality for these climbers: if they don’t think that there are a lot of impacts in the climbing area, they’re not going to see them, even if the impacts are there and measurable.
So we try to understand, what are climbers’ perceptions of the areas they recreate in? What did they say they’re more or less likely to be moved by when it comes to adhering to certain rules? We use those data to develop palatable management systems that climbers can rally behind. We need to understand the best ways to encourage self-regulation within the community.
Science Moab: What makes climbing areas different from busy hiking or biking trails?
Carter: For climbers, you can’t just put in more crags in climbing areas; there has to be the rock to do it. So one difference is the nature of the resource limitation compared to other outdoor dispersed recreation amenities.
Another difference comes back to the nature of the climbing community itself. It’s changing, and changing rapidly, in some good ways and some not-so-good ways. But historically, climbing is what sociologists refer to as a lifestyle sport. There’s a heavy tradition of self-regulation in the community. That tradition carries over as we try to sustainably manage these areas, in some good ways and in some bad ways. Part of that culture has also been this idea that climbers are rebels, which is not helpful when we’re trying to institute rules to protect a resource. So there are some aspects of that culture we’re trying to change.
Science Moab: Your paper described something called common pool resource theory. What is that and how is it used?
Carter: A common pool resource theory is a theoretical framework that lots of social scientists will use to understand what we refer to as collective action problems. The basic idea is that a common pool resource is an open-access resource. But it’s depletable. So when people use that resource, there’s less of it to go around for other users. It’s a basic governance issue.
So folks for folks misusing an area, the cost to them individually is small or nothing. But it’s a cost borne by everybody who uses and cares about the area. So how do we get folks to behave in ways that may be costlier to them, but that will benefit everybody?
Science Moab: What data do you collect?
Carter: I mostly do surveys and studies of climbers themselves, their perceptions, and their perceived behaviours, their reasons for doing things. For me, this takes the form of surveys on what climbers do, what they perceive, and what they care about. I want to understand what I think of as the institutional landscape of the community. What does the community care about? What did they pay attention to? How much variation is theret? Where is their agreement within the community?
Collectively, we should be combining that with data from the natural sciences, understanding the landscapes, to ensure sustainable use. Both data sources are needed to have any kind of effective management system.
Photo by Laura Schmucker
